Beach Front Building High Rise Debate Scarborough Beach, Coastal property development Perth Australia Options

[Ben]

SCARBOROUGH BEACH PERTH HIGH RISE BUILDING DEBATE

20 Nov'06:
I hate sprawl but the trade off to high rise should be more PUBLIC open space at ground level. None of the options proposed in the City of Stirling (CoS) online questionnaire show freeing up of space at ground level. Boxing in right up to the foot path on Brighton Road is NOT agreeable to me. I would like to see the set-back from Brighton Road doubled from the current proposal and a height of about 9 or 10 floors not 13. I understand the "Brighton on Scarborough" developers say that's not profitable but I say how can others along the Esplanade make profit with many less floors. Hope 13 floors is an ambit claim and not just greed. The project won't need a pool if a public pool is built at the SSLSC. I say take the private pool out and back off. Winter mornings are cold enough without "Brighton on Scarborough" casting a shadow in the morning where now there's sun. Are the developers going to pay for heating?
What penalties will be applied to building contractors for excessive construction noise for one and a half years? What penalties will be applied to project overrun? CoS have told me there is no limit to the amplitude of the noise.
Yes I want our children to have jobs and yes more people need to live somewhere but lets not have sprawl. Up to 10 floors or in another town are the only sensible choices as I see it.

Today after 9960 views and 160 legitimate reply postings on the old Scarboro forum, I've copied my posting to this safe, secure coastal building development forum as a backup because hackers continue to delete topics and thousands of web spam postings at the old Scarboro forum are just too much to deal with. After nearly 3 years my opinion is still the same. The Minister of Planning has made a good compromise decision of 8 floors. Conditional upon developers is public agreement. CoS Aug'06 plans show zero set back and contrary to ministerial approval show 10 floors at the Esplanade end (west, beach-side) of the proposed development.

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[Ben]

ZERO SET-BACK - POOR PLANNING

Dear Lynette,
Thank you for meeting with me in the foyer of Civic Place today after I paid our rates today and thank you for listening to my opinion of the planned 10 floor Cape Bouvard building on the corner of Brighton Road and The Esplanade. I’ve put my opinions in writing in previous CoS public consultations. I’ve explained it personally to you and in writing reiterate my serious objection to aspects of Cape Bouvard’s property development plan in Scarborough.

I object to zero set-back from the 1.2 metre wide foot path on Brighton Road because of
1. Overshadowing in winter of homes on the southern side of Brighton Road.
a. 100% for much of the morning and at least 50% at mid day in winter.
b. … resulting in less passive solar heating and
c. increased water heating costs with the electric booster, for our solar water heater, on more often.
d. less photosynthesis with likely numerous garden plant deaths.
Ask CoS planners and councillors if they would like a new neighbour building on the northern side of their home and blocking out winter sun?
2. Lack of pedestrian access. Even now without a popular event, people passing have to step off the footpath to pass. With events like future Life Savings championships and population growth, pedestrians would have to walk on Brighton Road if passing more than one person side by side.
3. Reduced visual permeability of the Indian Ocean from the east of the proposed development.

I saw in your foyer an A4 sized guide for passive solar heating and property development plans over the road from us for 10 floors while the Minister of Planning has only approved 8 floor development with community consultation and approval. Does that mean we can build 10 floors? (and cast a shadow on our neighbours) If we want to have brunch in winter sunlight, we’d have to move off the property. That would be good for cafes next block up north. The pyramid top over the Observation City bottle shop and set-back of Rendezvous hotel from the northern side of Scarborough Beach Road, let’s sunshine fall on alfresco diners on the southern side of Scarborough Beach Road. Zero set-back on Brighton Road will stop our passive solar heating. Please ask councillors to either block or amend the Cape Bouvard’s plans as I saw you display in mid August 2006, so that we will have full sunshine on our building by 10am where now we get it on the winter solstice by 7am.

Joan R & Ben G.

[Ben]

The shadow from a new 2 storey high light pole in line with the stupid CoS 12 floors with zero set-back planning on Brighton Road, reaches near homes at noon. Next year after 12 floors are built, the warm winter sun will be just a dream and memory from this picture

[Guest_Guest_Daniel--]

I can not Explain my personal Fury at the ill informed and misguided actions of SOS. They have forces a single coastal policy that will destroy our coastal habitats for there own personal gain. They have made slander and rediculas comments about everthing even terrorism, when they have no education in the area of planning and urban design.

Also i reject the attack on public space if the people wanted public space they would go for buildings up to 10-25 floors, this increases vaibility of projects while obtaining veiws that would have been taken by a building of bulk, the hight of the buildings will also not be great enough to be imposing on street goers, the lack of creative design is not the fault of the developer but the impossible legislation imposed on them, if the council and the public want public space then they must make the developments vaible by removing all hight limits and imposing plot ratio rule over planning approval i also sugest complete guidlines to each site set out by a inderpendent team of experts (like the EPRA) that would look at set backs, podium levels and staging of the buildings hight while looking at acess routes and public open space, retail and commercial tenancy's. The current rules will result in bad buildings that not only upset the public but upset the developers and stop any hope of any future rational progress in the area's of coastal preservation and urban renewl, but i doubt that with the idiots at SOS there would be hope for that.

Also i think you will find the 8floor WAPC rule would be almost forgotten if a developer was so bold to put forward a un beatable plan, that was rejected by the council it would then proceed to the courts and parliment were it would be approved at great uproar. I also suggest that ObCity be knocked down and replaced with a example of the 21st living somthing this state has never seen and should get to know.

[Ben]

Latest news from insider information indicates that the STUPIDLY planned 12 floor building with ZERO set-back from the footpath on Brighton Road will go ahead. Makes me wonder if people involved with WA Inc and bribery of Busselton civic leaders to support coastal property development, might have also influenced some City of Stirling councillors east of the freeway to mess up Scarborough.

We all want to see development but not POORLY planned development sprawled right up to the narrow 1.2m footpath. Would CoS councilors make such stupid exception to the CoS by-laws in their eastern suburbs and permit shadowing of their homes by Sarich come lately type property developers? I don't think so if they're interested in quality of life rather than selling out for the highest buck, moving away to some sunny place and leaving their constituents in the shadows like the way it is in the high-rise gloom of apartment blocks of former eastern European block cities.

[Ben]

After um-tine public servants, reports and public comment, this blight on one of the best beaches in the world still remains well over a week. I bet if we had of towed it to the Clock Tower, it would have been towed away by now.


Part of the CoS and developers' rational for property development was that tenants above commercial properties could keep an eye on things. The squatters living in the corner block smashed this car with a golf club.

How long do we have to walk on broken glass and look at this eye-sore? It's easy for developers to pass the buck to property managers after they've sold but if this sort of anti-social behaviour is happening before they sell, what chance is there after. If the owners lack of action / care about the community they stand to profit from is a sign of the future, then the community, via it's civic leaders should demand:
(I) demand the owners of this corner block have their property manager properly control anti-social people who live in their homes.
(II) corner property owners stop SAND emanating from their corner block flooding the public footpath (as it has been for MONTHS; this is the same path featured in the City of Stirling propaganda video, shown in their propaganda centre and to community groups. We use our own cart to cart food back from the Luna market. We pull it along The Esplanade road surface near Brighton Road to avoid sand in the wheels and axles. Observed the same with people pushing prams, skaters, etc)

The City of Stirling propaganda video shows smiling families alfresco dinning on very wide footpaths. A wide footpath is not planned for Brighton Road and I estimate it will be a couple of years of waiting before it happens on the Esplanade.

[Ben]

City of Stirling Approves 458

12 storey buildings east of West Coast Highway and 8 stories south of Brighton road approved.

ABC Report