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Secession of Western Australia
How would you vote for Secession of Western Australia?
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No [ 10 ] ** [24.39%]
Since Western Australia already voted in favour of secession would you expect the WA Government to declare independence?
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post Sep 3 2008, 01:57 PM
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When the wealthiest state of Australia has so many homeless and poor people, it's time for secession of Western Australia from the federation of the Commonwealth of Australia. Who would be so stupid to keep believing in a common wealth when there is so much poverty amongst pensioners and our youth the federal government forgot to train for APPROPRIATE jobs in the resources boom.

What is the Australian defence force doing to defend our fishing, oil and gas wealth off the coast of Western Australia? Very little. Some might worry about the viability of defence. The resource rich Gulf states, (like Western Australia could) buy the best military hardware and mercenaries to STRONGLY defend their assets. I reckon WA could make treaties with other countries such as Australia. I don't think it would be viable for regions such as the Pilbara to secede but Western Australia, yes.

Western Australians voted 2:1 in favour for devolution (break away) from the Federation of Australia.
What are we waiting for? Declaration of independence. When do we want it? Now. Who are we waiting for? The Premier and cabinet of Western Australia.


New Zealand without the abundance of Western Australia's natural resources do and have done OK since 1901 when they declined to federate with Australia.

It's time Western Australia either got a better deal for its asset protection and its people from the federal government or for Western Australia to succeed from Australia to reinvest more into Perth and regional Western Australia where more of the wealth of Australia comes from than any other state of Australia. Resources, capitalists and workers in tough Western Australian conditions produce much of the wealth of Australia. They should be rewarded with a better deal than the current common wealth shared amongst work able bludgers in cushy beach locations of the east coast of this continent. More investment should be made into remote, viable, Western Australian communities and less into propping up waterless agricultural communities in eastern Australia. The country of WA (W-ahy, New Holland or whatever its name) would, I imagine welcome skilled migrant farmers from Australia to work where there is water; in WA's Kimberley. Though this website is about Perth, I support a better deal for economically viable areas outside of Perth. This includes Broome, Northern Goldfields, Bunbury etc. and in particular much faster land releases in partnership with property developers. To see so much land around remote New Holland towns while the price of land in the towns is so high, is a failure by government which results in unaffordable housing, high rents, overcrowded housing and homelessness.

Sensible leadership could be another feature of New Holland. For example more standards such as location on financial source documents of date in a standard top of bottom corner.

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post Sep 7 2008, 02:25 PM
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There has always been a bone of contention with the State and Federal Governments on if WA should become independant to the Eastern States. Suprisingly, I remember this issue being spoken about in the late 60's - early 70's, in Gough Whitlam and Sir Charles Courts time, (and never the twain shall meet).
WA has always been the bridesmaid when it comes to representation on a federal political level. The Federal Government found it necessary to take from this state rather than to give because of the wealth of this great state to prop up the coofers of the other eastern counterparts.
I believe we can be independant but that also means that we possibly won't be included in Federal Funding to help towards the all important infrastructure in this state.
Without the support that is needed in health, law and order, education and homelessness being given through our State government, what difference would there be if WA did seceed. We still need the right Government to implement the changes that will benefit us all and not just a few.
Realisticaly, the majority of the pollies doing their thing here in WA have all got their heads in the sand and really do not get on with the job of rectifying issues that we as voters go to the polls for year in year out.
I think they all have visual and hearing problems .
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post Sep 7 2008, 07:51 PM
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If New Holland (Western Australia) stopped sending revenue from taxes, custom duties, mining oil and gas royalties, etc to be distributed by incompetent leaders of that country called Australia and instead our own incompetent leaders distribute it; our leaders wouldn't need to go Canberra with a begging bowl every year for Federal Funding. More wealth would circulate here even if some of that wealth is not well managed / distributed. If I was president of New Holland I would've looked after needy pensioners better, never let apprenticeship training run down, invested more in skills training for productive industry and less on highbrow university funding such as Phd on ancient Greek history. All those champagne socialist and conservative blue bloods who got their lick ars* masters degrees, jump at the opportunity to pour more money back into useless university courses because professors on their Bali junket conferences asked their former students, now leaders, for more funding. Excuse me while I puke. When will thinking people of New Holland wake up to the inequitable distribution of wealth from New Holland, both to the commonwealth of Australia and to universities which presume they have the only thinking people. Sure they'll know about a narrow useless field of thought if someone studies ancient Greek history for their degree. Then masters. Then PhD. Then teaches at university. Then retires on a FAT pension while other pensioners eat dog food. Whom am I to question them. They're smarter than us because they've got a degree in Greek mythology. Actually they are smarter because these uni leaches have colluded with federal and state leaders to rip us off.


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post Sep 8 2008, 12:41 PM
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laugh.gif Well said ! or could it be segregation rather than secession that has us all in turmoil.

The educated masters, the powers that be, publicly acknowledge that there is a problem in the welfare system. (because they wouldn't be able to survive on a pension). May I suggest that they consider a sea change and walk a mile in the Seniors shoes and carry what few dollars they are given to support themselves.
Educated hypocrits with champagne fews looking down at those that are given a beer budget to survive on.
The reason people in this state can't fathom secession is because we allow these "bluies" to manipulate our common sense and foresight and allow the misrepresention of the truth over many issues that concern West Australians.
Just because of a big fancy uni degree with all the letters behind it to say, I am and you will do as I say does leave me feeling somewhat annoyed knowing that my integrity and intelligence is undermined.
By the words of a socialist. What is your's is mine and what is mine is mine.

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post Oct 1 2008, 04:53 PM
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Secession appeals but I would like to see the Goldfields and the Northern part of WA Seceed. Who would be stupid enough to think that with the wealth these areas pour into Australia they would not be able to support themselves or that secession would not see a huge increase their population. The area would be able to gain fruit and vegetables from the Ord River and Gascoyne region, Meat from the Gascoyne, Pilbara and Kimberley regions and electricity from our natural gas supply using the power plant already in the area and Iím sure we would have the money to import any of the other things we needÖ.. would Perth? If These Parts of WA were independent they would be able to demand a workforce that lives in the area rather than one who live in numerous places around Australia only here for the money. About time we got to see those royalties spent where they are made rather than on a city few of us even go to or a country with little interest in the plight of those living in mining towns. No royalties to the federal government no royalties to Perth and finally towns people can enjoy living in with the infrastructure expected in the 21st century. That sounds like a fair deal to me but might not be so good for a state capital dependant on spending royalties on itself because they donít know that there are people living beyond midland ÖÖ.
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post Oct 6 2008, 11:13 AM
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I've lived in RARA (Broome, Kalgoorlie, Laverton) for LONG periods and even though I now live in Perth, support the idea of more royalties going out to RARA where much of Australia's wealth comes from BUT
  • I don't think secession for bits smaller than New Holland (WA) is viable
  • Many people choose to live in Perth for various reasons such as better infrastructure being asked for in RARA, climate, environment such as beaches, jobs etc
  • Much of investment into RARA comes from Perthites or is channeled from overseas via funds managers living in Perth.
  • Perth is a tourist gateway to the regions.
  • It isn't feasable to fly for example Perthites to leading edge medical treatment in Laverton just because Laverton can afford to buy specialists and medical equipment or to a WAFL grand final in Broome because they can afford a 100,000 seat stadium.
I ask the people of RARA not to split the ideals of secession just like the ideals of a republic were split and lost. Join with all Western Australians (New Hollanders?) for self proclamation of independence and keeping of more wealth in New Holland for all of New Hollanders. Once we've got our own country then push your barrow if you want but first things first please.


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post Nov 11 2008, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(evomax @ Nov 10 2008, 12:03 PM) [snapback]4817[/snapback]
Does anyone have any figures of what Western Australia actually contributes to and what it receives from the Federal Government?

Why would we do it?

Why wouldnt we do it?

What is the cost of doing it?

What steps are actually required for Western Australia to become it's own country?

Do all the other states need to agree? If not does it mean that Western Australia would have to go to war with the other states to claim it's independence?

Looking for hard facts.


Good questions I too would like to see some stats on.
In crude terms the western state of the Australian continent has 10% of the Australian population and contributes 33% to the common wealth of Australia.

"What steps are actually required for Western Australia to become it's own country?" and "Do all the other states need to agree? " Simple: guts to declare our independent nation and administration to collect and distribute taxes. WA was declared an independent colony of the British Empire and in 1933 Western Australian citizens voted in a referendum to secede from the Federation with eastern states. The only thing I'm waiting for is announcement of the declaration of independence by the Western Australian Government to comply with the democratic wishes of it's constituents. Well Colin what are you waiting for? The majority of Western Australians want our own country. They've told you in the 1933 referendum. Have the guts to declare it.

"What is the cost of doing it?" Yesterday's $2 billion dollar example: Yesterday the federal government of Australia pledged $6 BILLION dollars to the car manufacturing industry in the eastern states. Now if Western Australia contributed 33% of that then the risk takers (capitalists) and workers, ie all WA tax payers have contributed $2 BILLION to prop-up a failing industry in the eastern states. On top of that, taxes on cars entering Western Australia still makes the cars we buy 10% more expensive. Why? To protect the eastern states: more profits for their car making businesses and a $30,000 wage subsidy for each eastern states car worker. How do you feel working in hot Western Australia to pay $10,000 of each $30,000 into the pockets of each 200,000 car works in the eastern states? Who needs their expensive, gas guzzling, shitty cars which most Western Australian don't buy? Why don't Western Australian's walk around with "STUPID" or "RIPPED OFF" stamped on their forehead?

Do all the other states need to agree? No. Western Australia was dragged into federation with the other colonies of the British Empire in 1901. We tried it and didn't like it so in 1933 the majority voted in favour of pulling out of the federation with the eastern colonies.

If not does it mean that Western Australia would have to go to war with the other states to claim it's independence? WA didn't go to war to join the Federation of Australia and there is no reason to war over leaving the Federation. I'd see them as friends just like New Zealand and buy their cars and fridges (just as we buy New Zealand white goods) if we want their big cars AT THE RIGHT PRICE. If they want, for example to sell their cars @ 10% more there will be some rev heads that want to buy them in the west but if I was president of New Holland, I'd foster investment in a compressed natural gas plant (CNG), conduct social engineering to encourage car buyers to use our own, cheaper, cleaner source of north west shelf energy, and encourage private enterprise sell tankers of CNG to other countries including eastern states of Australia. If the eastern states wanted armed force against the democratic referendum decision of West Australians, then there are avenues of diplomacy including that from powerful WA allies which believe strongly in democracy, to exert a peaceful outcome to our stated wish of freedom and democracy.

Not only are the eastern states stealing our wealth but with the crumbs they return are always putting conditions of how it is spent - telling locals how to spend it. What would a automotive unionist government minister based in Victoria know about community development, mining, fishing, agriculture in a remote Western Australian town compared to that of the people who live here in the west?


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post May 13 2009, 04:07 PM
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I agree, we should succeed.

If its been proven that 1/3 of all income (tax) is going east then succession would make WA 1/3 richer, except;

We need to establish a defence force, customs and quarantine. Regulate banking, and rejig the court system. Establish or alter telecommunications regulations, the list goes on....


On the whole though we could alter WA dramatically.

Simplify a lot of things, change the GST to flat 10% across the board. Strip 3/4 of tax legislation out and make it understandable by the common man again (instead of only tax accountants and lawyers) Oh and by the way, once tax has been simplified, lock it in, no more special interest loopholes.
Encourage development of WA owned businesses, change company tax from 30%, to 40% for foreign owned businesses. Outlaw foreign ownership of land and resources (allow leasing though). Increase tariffs on imported goods, thereby encouraging locally produced goods, and keeping jobs here.
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post Dec 12 2009, 05:06 PM
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Here are some numbers for you.

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post Mar 17 2010, 08:26 PM
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Over the past 20 years, $40,000,000,000 has flowed out of Western Australia to subsidise the rest of Australia. That's $2,000,000,000 per year. That's $1,000 dollars per every man woman and child Western Australian which could have been more wisely invested every year for 40 years into better infrastructure for WA.

The Western Australian Secession Association is seeking new members. Support the people of the western side of Australia by joining the Western Australian Secession movement.
Contact of the Western Australian Secession Association via the Secretary, C/o 81 Osbourne Street, Joondanna, Western Australia, 6060.


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QUOTE (MichaelMB @ Dec 12 2009, 05:06 PM) *
Here are some numbers for you.

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Well worth looking at. :-)


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I was recently personally advised by a senior Western Australian State Government Minister who is himself a secessionist and is in a position to be considered an authority on the subject, that if Western Australia were an independent country, per head of population it would without doubt be one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

However, politicians cannot bring about such radical change as secession from the Australian federation without a clear mandate from a majority of the Western Australian population indicating that they want such a change to take place. The issue is that many Western Australians are so politically correct that few are prepared speak out publicly for fear of being criticized.
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The Premier of Western Australia said last night on Q&A that he is an Australian first. I thought he was put in office primarily to represent Western Australian first.

He said there was not much support for Western Australian Secession yet said Western Australians voted two to one for secession. Many I speak with support secession from Australia. We want a Premier who puts Western Australia first and declares WA an independent nation in the next session of the Western Australian Parliament.


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WESTERN AUSTRALIAN BUSINESS GETS POOR SERVICE FROM EASTERN STATES TELCO BUSINESS

I just got back in time from a business trip to phone Optus to close my 1300 phone account. The 1st person I spoke with at 4:55pm transferred me to a lady in another department. After giving my account information, she said I was transferred to the wrong department. At 5:01pm she said the department to close my account stays open till 6pm and thatís why itís closed. I told her I called Optus at 4:55 and it is now only 5:01. I asked to speak with her supervisor. He was not available. Another example of POOR telco service and raw deal eastern centric businesses for business on the western side of Australia. As a member of the Western Australian Secession Association, I get to know of MANY instances of the SHABBY treatment meated out by government and business to Western Australia. She did offered for her manager to call me on Monday. I told her that is impossible because Iím going to my home in remote NE Thailand tomorrow (Sat) for 3 months. I asked her 3 times to write a letter / memo to the department which closed before close of business hours. She refused saying she canít. Iím wasting time now having to do all this when Iím supposed to be packing. It is very inconvenient.

Eastern states business SUX.


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